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Stock O2 sensors for 3.9 Range Rover

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:13 am
by TR8s-n-planes
Installing MSII V3.0 into a '91 Range Rover 3.9. Has anyone had any luck using the stock O2 sensors? Apparently Rover uses a sensor based on a "titania" element instead of the usual "zirconia". This material generates a variable resistance instead of a voltage. The resulting voltage slope is also reversed to the normal Narrow Band sensor. And, just to make it a little more difficult to swap to another sensor, they use a non-standard thread, as well!

A little more info on the Rover EFI here (near the bottom of the page):
http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Rover-14CUX-EFI.htm

I have tried (without success, so far) to set up parameters in Megatune for a generic WB.

Thanks in advance!
Bill

Could someone help???

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:17 am
by Linzerl
Hi.. I have exactly the same question.... does anyone know how (or if) this is possible??

Many thanks

Could someone help???

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:17 am
by Linzerl
Hi.. I have exactly the same question.... does anyone know how (or if) this is possible??

Many thanks

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:06 pm
by TR8s-n-planes
Hi, Linz. Thanks for joining in.

I will probably end up just using an LC-1 WB, and bypass the stock sensors.

If I get energetic, I am thinking of installing a WB sensor alongside of the stock sensor, and using an accurate multi-meter to measure the resistance of the stock sensors against a known (from the LC-1) A/F ratio. From there, it "shouldn't" :mrgreen: be too hard to build a circuit to extract a voltage to program into the MSII.

The next step is to put a 4.2 from a '94 RR into a Triumph TR8, so being able to use the stock sensors could knock a few $ off the cost of that project! :D

Unfortunately, I have a couple of other projects in front of this one, so it will probably be several weeks before I get to play with it.

Cheers
Bill

Stock O2 sensors for 3.9 Range Rover

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:22 am
by eliotmansfield
Don’t waste your time trying to use the original sensor, Just weld in an M18x1.5mm bung and fit an LC1 wideband (or narrow band if you must )

Re: Stock O2 sensors for 3.9 Range Rover

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:14 pm
by TR8s-n-planes
eliotmansfield wrote:Don’t waste your time trying to use the original sensor, Just weld in an M18x1.5mm bung and fit an LC1 wideband (or narrow band if you must )
That is most likely what I will do, but where is the adventure in that? :D

Cheers
Bill

Stock O2 sensors for 3.9 Range Rover

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:16 pm
by eliotmansfield
Even if you do figure it out, all you will end up with is a narrowband lambda – which is far from ideal anyway. Don’t think I would want to risk my engine (through going lean) for the sake not using a common lambda sensor.